Thursday, November 22, 2012

My Guide to Dating Scottish Men


*Not a true representation of "Scottish Love"

I get a surprising amount of emails from women - mainly American and Canadian - about dating Scottish men: e.g. what's the difference between a Scottish vs. North American dude; what does it mean when a Scottish guy asks them out for a drink with all his friends and so on and so forth. Most of the time I respond because they're just looking for advice/ perspective and as everyone knows, I have publicly lamented about dating in this country so I am more than happy to pass on what I have learned, if anything.

Nevertheless, I thought I should try and attempt to offer up my advice once and for all - albeit, at the risk of repeating myself.

Please note, however, that I am approaching the dangerous and controversial territory of dating in Scotland, from a North American perspective, and you may run the risk of being misinterpreted as "too forth right".

Firstly, I won't question why it is a Scottish man in particular that you want to date because hey, I get it: you saw Gerard Butler in a film once and dug his accent and assume that all Scottish men are that rugged and handsome. [Side note: I saw Gerard Butler walking down Byres Road a couple weekends ago with this current-model girlfriend, and although my heart was a flutter at the idea of Gerard Butler, in reality it was a bit of a let down as he looked pretty hung-over].

As a Canadian dating in Scotland, I initially found it quite difficult as there isn't the same culture/ tradition of dating as there is in North America. Back in Toronto, it wasn't considered strange/ too forward for a guy to approach you and either: (a) just start talking to you SOBER and/or (b) offer to buy you a drink. The same cannot be said about Scottish men, I'm afraid. Which brings me to my first point:

1. Scottish People Speak in Code: This takes some getting used to. For example, it's not really polite to directly ask someone what they do for a living. Sure, that is the second thing we ask each other in North America, right after "What's your name?" but not so in the UK. So instead, you need to find these sort of details out in a roundabout way. You will need to carry out a careful conversation and only when it is hinted at, may you ask someone what they do or openly try to guess. The same can be said about asking someone if they're single/ married. Sure, you may be used to being directly asked this by a dude in Canada but over here? Not so much.

You see, here in the UK/ Scotland, there is a lot more happening than what would appear on the surface. For example, in a busy bar, rather than a barman/woman openly asking who is next (although sometimes they do), there is a subtle social interaction taking place. Without uttering any words, the server will know who is to be served next, just by making eye contact with thirsty patrons at the bar. If the server incorrectly eyes someone who is not next in line for a pint, they will usually shake their head and point at who should be next - if they're a decent human, anyway. Obviously if you're a patron at a busy pub in the UK, you can't wave your hands or make a point of being FORTH RIGHT and saying that you're next; SORRY, that's just the rules, Yanks. What can I say, they like rigid social codes over here.

So, if you happen to find a Scottish lad who you like and you think may like you, I would say this: HANG IN THERE, GIRL. Eventually all will become clear (hopefully).

The thing to remember about guys - Canadian, American, Scottish or otherwise - is that they tend to show you how they feel. Sure, they may not literally tell you but on the other hand, if they're making an effort to see or arrange to see you: what's that telling you? Which brings me to my second point:

2. Scottish guys - on the surface- have limited emotions. Look, I don't make the rules, just the observations, ok? But in my experience, there seems to be a more old-fashioned approach to how men are perceived and portrayed in the UK than in Canada. In Glasgow, at least, people talk about the "hardness"of the cities inhabitants; it's not called a Glasgow Kiss for nothing and Glaswegian men are allowed to show limited emotions: anger (usually when their football team loses), elation (usually when their football team wins) and general day-to-day being at peace with the world. That's it.

Now, obviously this is a sweeping generalisation and not true of all Scottish men. Indeed, I would say that it's rapidly changing for the better. However, I still think there is some hang over from the "olden times" when it was generally encouraged for men to be the "strong and stoic" type. Clearly I don't approve of such encouragement because I think it's important to remember that men are a lot more complicated and dare I say it, delicate than we let them be.

So, remember: there is a person beyond that limited Man Box exterior.

3. (a) You might need to go to the pub more: Look, we'll probably never even come close to what our Scottish cousins can partake in, booze wise, but you might as well start trying: if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right? Sadly, this is where a lot of the action is. In Canada, we usually go to other people's houses to get shit-faced but over here, people go to a pub in order to pay twice as much to shout over loud music. The one thing, however, that you won't get at a lot of Canadian house parties is one thing that the Brits/ Scots excel at: playful banter.

3(b). Scottish people love and appreciate a good chinwag/ banter. There are many things I love about Scotland and Scottish people (humour, landscape, friendliness) but the one thing that really makes me fall for this country is their sheer delight at a good chat/ rant session. Whereas we Canadians are a lot more utilitarian when it comes to words, the Scots are playful and cheeky. If you want to date a Scottish dude, be prepared for some verbal jousting; these people can talk rings around us.

4. Scottish people don't really date: I said it before and let me elaborate more: Scottish people don't have the dating culture that we do in North America; they don't even like to say the word, "date". The word and idea makes people uneasy - perhaps it is, once again, too forth right and too straight-forward (I KNOW, RIGHT?!) Scottish people wouldn't think too much about sleeping with a near stranger they met in a club, but asking for their number and to take them out for a meal? No.

This isn't a judgement on a nation - just a mere lifeline for confused North American ladies.

5. Get used to having the "piss" taken out of you: So you find yourself on a NON-DATE/ JUST HANGING OUT WITH a Scottish dude but he seems to continually make fun of you. Don't be offended rather, chin up, doll, this means he likes you!


71 comments:

Timorous Beastie said...

Much of this rings true to me but reminds me that years of living abroad have turned me into a foreigner. I'd prefer to go to someone's house than the pub and I'd blunder into the "are you married?" type questions right away. oh and I expect men to express themselves articulately. Hey, maybe I should move to Canada?

Anonymous said...

Hey, not to sound rude or anything, but you still haven't posted for December and it's nearly Christmas! :O

-The Awkward New Reader

Anonymous said...

o: Funnily enough my boyfriend is of Scottish descent and we actually love teasing and mocking each other. He must have picked this up from his dad's side of the family (that or its an inherent quality to Scots :P )

Anonymous said...

my boyfriends from dunfermline and so much of this is true about him!When we first started dating/ talking he would insult me and i took it offensive at fist so i insulted back but i guess he found that cute and he later ensured me that he was just playing around like Scotts do.. so just call him a daft shit fer brains every now and learn a few Scottish words and he'll love you forever.. trust me aken it gets easier

Anonymous said...

I want a Scottish man Rarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ♥ xxx

Anonymous said...

Hi, I just moved to Aberdeen and I love your articles! I have no problem with witty banter instead of overt declarations love BUT the question remains: what to do if you're not comfortable sleeping with the guy you like before ever having even been taken on a date? Is that what all guys expect, and is there no middle ground?

Unknown said...

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Anonymous said...

This tips are actually true for most of nothern Europe, at least the part about not asking someone straight forward if they are single or not, about the social rules and about the dating part. That is also why many northern Europeans sometimes find the Americans too loud and to straigh forward.

Anonymous said...

This is just raceist I can't believe that you would make statements 100% accurately correct. I would be offended if it wasn't true.
-cheeky Scotsman

Anonymous said...

ha,ha,ha,veri nice and very correct.

Anonymous said...

Oh hah sounds like the love of my life, Canadian men can be way to sensitive when poking fun. I'm moving to London then possibly Edinburgh or Cardiff in 6 months cant wait to try out the dating.

Molly said...

Love this! I'm dating a Scottish guy at the moment, and all of this rings so true. Especially about avoiding the word 'date', the witty banter and the insults! Excellent advice here.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this! I've been talking to a guy from Glasgow & I am learning a lot but still in that process of LEARNING haha so I appreciate the info, I'm American so it's been interesting to say the least! Thanks again!! :)

Sandra Munoz said...

Sheeeeesh I "chilled out" with A Scottish guy a couple of times and things were going well then today I asked him out on a date and there was like a "cold moment"... and he did not even say yes or no... I wish I had read this sooner!! I'll apply the Silent treatment and see if he misses me :/ that Scott is hot and caring and knows about Tantra. Hope I did not fuck it up before it even started.

Anonymous said...

Cheeky Scotsman, you're messed up. Wanna go on a date?

Unknown said...

I live in Canada and my boyfriend is still in Scotland and we will be together soon. This gave me the idea to create an international dating site www.internationalfindsoulmate.com so people who want to date lets say a Scottish men can go to, you are most welcome to join, joining is free

Unknown said...

I am about to go to Scotland. This helps explain some of the trouble I have communicating with men online. Hysterical. My straight talkin' American mouth is gonna have a tough ride...esp at the pub! Thanks for the insight!!

Anonymous said...

After "dating"someone from Scotland for 6 years I feel like Im an expert. Your always reading between the lines as they are slippery fish these Scotland men. Marriage cant be brought up either or they run for the hills. lol.

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Anonymous said...

I am dating a Scottish man. He is
wonderful. Patient, a gentleman
fun and always considerate of my feelings. Sexy personality. Beautiful lover. Makes you feel like a real woman. And makes me feel so special.

Anonymous said...

Ok so how does one go about meeting a good Scotsman? where in Scotland is the best place to meet A single guy? The Pub is the Obvious answer of course but is Glasgow better than lets say Edinburgh or can you meet a guy on the islands? I mean alot of it (Scotland) is pretty rural right? What about the highland games? Fun events? So many questions... :)

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Anonymous said...

Hit the nail right on the heid!! I'm a Scotsman, born and raised in glasgow....... I was pissin myself at it, it's so true! Lol well played👏

Unknown said...

As a black Canadian chap,61-62 July 6-said cover boy handsome,
muscular,a bit beefy-I'm 5'9",200-
205 lb.,boasting 18" arms,though like a LOT of older dudes,I'm attempting to lose about 20 lb.-chivalrous and QUITE randy,I'd like to know if bonnie Scots lassies date a handsome black ladies?

Anonymous said...

I mean,"Do bonnie Scots lassies date us handsome black laddies?"

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Anonymous said...

Hopefully you guys were just lucky finding your Scottish half, mine unfortunately even though being the biggest love and most truthful in my 30 years old life occurred to be the most painfull and violent Ive ever encountered
1. Scotts are alcoholics of the worst kind, aggressive violent and scum
Ungortunately this is the exemple they were given as children growing up on benefits, they do drink until basically they can stand, until they get aggressive and start beating a shit out of you, proving every single slap was the one you had deserved
2. They are lazy
Benefits given by the UK government made them so comfortable that as a woman you will be forced to be not only a mother, a housewife, a servant but also a provider to the useless parasite whose only aim in life will be to give orders and decide what's to be done or not to be done in the house
3. Mamma is more important than you will eve be
You as a woman would never ever be able to stand up to the mamma's standards. Unfortunately this is not a joke that when Scots do procreate within their own families it should be treated as common, and you *the one that is coming from the outside of the family* you should expect to hear that you are a come bucket, used rag or other lovely adjective your Scot primitive that I have never even heard in my life as a foreigner
4. And finally expect a Scot to bring the local community against you, intimidate in the neighbourhood and after that to go to have drunk sex with your best friend because that's how Scotland had been built - on betrayal, lack of honour, respect, violence and alcoholic obliviance. Cause this is the exemple they were given as children growing up on benefits, they do drink until basically they can stand, until they get aggressive and start beating a shit out of you, proving every single slap was the one you had deserved
2. They don;t like to work
Benefits given by the UK government made them so comfortable that as a woman you will be forced to be not only a mother, a housewife, a servant but also a provider to the useless parasite whose only aim in life would be to give orders and decide what;s to be done or not to be done
3. Mamma is an exemple!
My ex boyfriend mother not only has been openly having sex with her brother but you as a woman would never ever be able to stand up to the mamma;s standards. Unfortunately this is not a joke that when Scots do procreate within their own families it should be treated as common, because you *the one that is combing from the outside of the family* you should expect to hear that you are a come bucket, used rag or any other disgusting name cause for a Scot a disrespect is a second name
4. And finally expect a Scot to bring the local community against you, intimidate in the neighbourhood and after that to go to have drunk sex with your best friend because that's how Scotland had been built - on betrayal, lack of honour, respect, violence and alcoholic oblivian. No wonder you are not independant

Unknown said...

I take it you have some strange anti-Scottish racist/bigoted agenda? As we say in Scotland, that is a 'pile of shite!'. I assume it is meant as some kind of joke, it is not funny. As a Scot, I find what you have written there to be false, ridiculous and deeply offensive. If I ever meet you, we will be having serious words.

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Anonymous said...

I have never met a true Scot, but I have to agree with you. It appears this unfortunate young lady just met an asshole. Her perception of an entire culture has most certainly been skewed and tainted with her experience with this one loser. As for her, my question is why did she take so long to get out. It doesn't take a more than a couple of days to figure out if someone is not for you. Maybe her idea of possibly changing this person was her inevitable peril.

Unknown said...

I've never traveled beyond the US, but common sense tells you there are men (and women) of little dignity, moral character or basic human decency in all countries and at different levels of society. Masters of disguise are tough to detect until sometimes too late, but the rest...hints are dropped along the way as you get to know the person. Choosing to remain despite hints of (or obvious) mistreatment is on you.

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A highlander in me!! said...

Sigh,I come from a deeply rooted Scottish American family. As of right now, I am having a failed marriage due to our 3 year old son has a Wilms tumor (kidney cancer) and it's just been a rocky marriage anyways. So in a perfect world I'd love to swoop up my children, move them to some quiet country home, and raise goats and sheep in Scotland. And to occasionally "not date" a nice Scottish man. I could so write a book about this fantasy.

Anonymous said...

God, I read all these articles on dating European men and it just scares me to no end! I'm American, but never dated before and want to live in Europe(which I've visited before and will be visiting again soon). Oh, and I'm celibate. So that cuts out like 98% of men everywhere. Dating here is complicated and scary enough, but the "not dating" culture I keep reading on scare me even more. I'm not at all forward when it comes to guys I like( if there friends I'm a great person to be around!) and can be a bit blunt, or quiet when I get around guys I like. Witty banter gets me tongue tied and I usual just melt into embarrassed silence. I feel like I'll be forever alone if I move over there 😞. Oh well! A girl can dream.

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Jackie1248 said...

You are very fortunate to have found such a 'rarity'. That is the type of man, of whom, I have always dreamed. I have only been discouraged by American men. Although I am a 60+year old American woman of Scot descent, my forever-prayer will be to find MY "Scot" and return to the land of my ancestors before my days are over.

Anonymous said...

I usually travel around and Im used to foreign people, I met an Aberdonian guy in Múnich last weekend and had one night stand. He was a bit drunk but still standing and I had the feeling he hid from his pals everytime he wanted to kiss me or hug me more deeply. We both had to fly back to our countries so no more meetings. He is my first scot and I normally keep in touch texting and so on, but the second time I did i think he was not in the mood of doing it.
So how the hell can a girl keep in touch with a scottish guy without making him feel as you wanted to tie the knot.

Unknown said...

Your so lucky...

Unknown said...

Your so lucky...

Sara said...

I noticed, from my time in Scotland.. it's not that they don't date. They do! They just start in groups (like a safety net)and don't CALL it dating. Dating is implied if they ask for you to join the group a few times. The dating evolves into single one on one time eventually, it just happens instead of people having to say "Are we dating?". They figger you can tell, seeing as he keeps calling you.. But it's still "old fashioned" thinking because the guys want to chase, not be chased by girls.
You do not have to put out to get the guy .... in fact I found the Scots want you more if they have to chase you. :)

Anonymous said...

God... How many ways to just say one thing.. So, you don't have to ask for a date, you are never going to pronounce date, but actually you're dating. Well, I think that every women should stop. Only Americans and maybe English men use to like a propositive woman... Usually other men don't (if you are looking for a serious situation of course). Come on, we're women, how to flirt and how to date is in our blood if we truly want it! I am an Italian girl, living in Thailand and thinking to move to Scotland in a couple of years.. You should see how Thai's women are.. I'm here with Italian boyfriend... It's a work everyday to keep him out of girls messes. And here it's really a job trying to keep staying men by your side. Scottish are like a mix of Italians, English and northern men. If you are thinking why.. Well.. Italians for passion and way of love, English because of their manners, north men because you can see how much they love to say they're half Saxons and loving rain and cold weather.

Anonymous said...

Haha what alot ehh shite, why would you even stay with a mink that treats yeh like that ! One bad apple ! Ross Fae Scotland ��

Unknown said...

I had an american version of the man u described. Cant judge all by ones actions. Looking for a Scot. I am of Scotish decent and my heart longs for the world my soul already knows.

Unknown said...

I had an american version of the man u described. Cant judge all by ones actions. Looking for a Scot. I am of Scotish decent and my heart longs for the world my soul already knows.

Unknown said...

I'm so sorry about your child I hope things get better for you and your child

Unknown said...

I'm so sorry about your child I hope things get better for you and your child

Unknown said...

Hi I am Liam, I am a 21 year old Scot, 6ft2, dark wavy hair and work in the entertainment industry. I am really interested in getting to know any US females. Maybe have a relationship?I love a good laugh and good company. if I sound like your sort of guy I can be contacted at liamablacktheatrical@gmail.com , thanks Liam :)

Castle Girl said...

I am married to a Scotsman, he has been in America for 3 years now. They toss out all their emotions at one full swoop, get it over with and their done. When they get mad they let loose, again, they get done and move on...mean while as an American I have been taught to keep things inside so when scotty lets loose and says things, some mean nasty stuff and then he is done .,,,I am still really angry and he is chipper and does not understand why I am angry lol. My Scotsman does not drink, works like a dog and is most passionate in bed. Very proud of where he is from, we have the Scottish flag marking his turf, under the American flag of course as he is thankful to America for allowing us to be together. Most do not know how to work on cars or houses, I do that lol. But I will say he is a very loyal good man who would do anything for me. He does however say he is going back home often when he gets upset with our American laws and regulations, ESPECIALLY healthcare,,RIP OF MERCHANTS he calls them or sleekit bastards. He has such a strong accent, that people ask him to speak english and you should see how angry he gets over that one! I get red faced and ashamed people here are that stupid. Has a "Fifer" on his car and the scottish flag and he NEVER like to go anywhere unless I am by his side. Has the best direction of anyone I have ever known, no matter where he is, he finds his way. Yep, he is a keeper.

Anonymous said...

Honestly i dont get how women think they'll find a good man at bars.. I dont care where your from there are christian men or men in general who despise an over drinker.. You want the wrong kind of man you will find it... Also if you go lookibg to sleep with a man it is likely he will infact treat you like a one night stand... Met a guy dont call it a date.. Call it "going out" or when can I see ya again" if hes the right kind of man for you he'll respect you and show you honor until your ready to take things further...

Carolin said...

First of all, you should have more respect for yourself than to stay with a "man" that would act like that. A REAL man does not mistreat anyone. Scot or not. I like lively banter but us Texans are considered too direct sometimes. But I would like to a REAL SCOTSMAN! Sadly, I don't know on Texas.

Unknown said...

I to am of Scottish decent..I dream of finding him..God willing..I will!

Unknown said...

Hey
I am Scottish, 6ft3, tall, dark andHandsome, self made businessman working in the entertainments industry. I am looking for an American or Canadian for a relationship. I don't drink and I do work very hard. I am 22 but open to any age as long as there is a spark. Yes I have a kilt lol. I live in fife where they film outlander, about 40 minutes from Edinburgh castle. Email me at Liamablacktheatrical@gmail.com and let's see where it goes :)

Anonymous said...

I guess I'll be dreaming with you!

Anonymous said...

FINALLY .. some positive feedback! I'm a single American woman traveling alone to Scotland in a few months, and I'm unbelievable nervous! I was beginning to think I'd have to live in a pub and stay drunk to make friends!

Unknown said...

email me if youd like to catch up sometime :-)

Anonymous said...

Ok so how do you find out if your the only one he is "dating"

Unknown said...

Okay...Sweerheart what you had there was a guy with a slew of disorders. Better luck next time and do abit of assessing next time! ( red flags and all).

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